Curse

~ Dan ~ · Jan 11, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

incase of possible hack/mod don't put an enter mission button if you don't want people to ever be able to use it again nothing is safe someone can always get around something

Well of course you can get around it. But you knew in doing so it was wrong and got a ban slapped in your face. Wouldn't it be a good idea not to get around things again?

chaoticimajar · Jan 11, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Well of course you can get around it. But you knew in doing so it was wrong and got a ban slapped in your face. Wouldn't it be a good idea not to get around things again?

you ever hear what i am saying on vent mate... you think i got slapped qq and future refrence anet when you don't want a non gm or tester to use it take off enter mission? it may take a bit of work but? gets rid of 46 page posts on guru

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by rath no more

i dont know anything about this personally but i thought i heard here that that exploit lets you get past the other 4? and your fighting cronies with duncan? not so diff after all if what i heard was true.

Then allow me to give you the correct information as you apparently have faulty information.

Duncan the Black run:

This run allowed you to bypass the first 4 parts of the quest to have access to duncan's chamber. You still did not automatically appear at Duncan the Black whenever you walked through the door. You had to finish the area, the same as if you had completed the other 4 parts to the quest. All it did was open the locked door for you to travel through to finish the end of the quest line. It DID NOT however, take you directly to him to be able to farm him over and over again every 10 minutes.

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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

Well - hey I suppose if you count the 2 minute run to get you in there and the money you had to pay someone to get you in... and the 15 mins or so (sound familiar) to beat the thing - in truth, when it comes down to actual effort required - it is identical.

/facepalm..

1.) it took longer than 15 minutes for even a good group to fight their way to duncan.
2.) you were never auto spawned right at duncan like you are with mallyx
3.) there is far more effort in the duncan run than in pressing a button and fighting mallyx instantly.
4.) The duncan run required at least 1 person to have the quest active and still have had to finish the actual first 4 parts of the quest in the first place and once the quest was done, you had to start the entire thing over again.

Thus the difference between the two runs. Had someone not had the quest available to finish that line in the quest, Duncan was never available. With the developer outpost, you could instantly spawn mallyx at anytime, without having to do the quest at all. now how is this similar?

pablo24 · Jan 11, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

There is a hack involving pre searing and items (I won't go more into detail) that has been around since September 2007, I reported it 4 times directly to Gaile, everytime she said she appreciates me reporting these issues and it is very important to her, but they still didn't fix it.

Jake_Steel · Jan 11, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

ITS A GAME!
its not real life.

Exactly, hence the fact 117 people were removed from playing, not arrested.

Just like the penalty box in a hockey game, they were removed.

SolidShadow · Jan 11, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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You have to have an understanding from a developers point of view.

eum, like all the other bugs around last 2 years?
if your talking about blaim, wich a ban is, i would blaim the devs for making it possible instead of the customers whom even paying for it.

btw, putting up the number of banned people aint a right thing to do, if its 10 or a 1000 its still not right.

chaoticimajar · Jan 11, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Yichi

Then allow me to give you the correct information as you apparently have faulty information.

Duncan the Black run:

This run allowed you to bypass the first 4 parts of the quest to have access to duncan's chamber. You still did not automatically appear at Duncan the Black whenever you walked through the door. You had to finish the area, the same as if you had completed the other 4 parts to the quest. All it did was open the locked door for you to travel through to finish the end of the quest line. It DID NOT however, take you directly to him to be able to farm him over and over again every 10 minutes.

quite the same though allowed access to a part you shouldn't be at until you finished the other areas this just had a bit of greater benfit

~ Dan ~ · Jan 11, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

you ever hear what i am saying on vent mate... you think i got slapped qq and future refrence anet when you don't want a non gm or tester to use it take off enter mission? it may take a bit of work but? gets rid of 46 page posts on guru

Or maybe you could get some common sense and think - Hold on! Secret outpost no-one's ever seen before?! Wow this can't be right *map out* If you thought it was some new update (as someone tried to say), well - read update notes on wiki kthx.

leprekan · Jan 11, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Like I said in my post on 43 .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. Those acting like the 117 were horrible people that knew they would get in trouble are laying on the edrama. NOBODY was banned for getting a ferry to Duncan .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. There was NO reason for any of us to think we would be banned for doing it given NOBODY was banned or even warned for using it on Duncan.

chaoticimajar · Jan 11, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Exactly, hence the fact 117 people were removed from playing, not arrested.

Just like the penalty box in a hockey game, they were removed.

isn't it after two minutse you can come back into the game this we are not allowed back in until...oh wait never...

imbanned2 · Jan 11, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Clait

There is an old saying, "A lie told enough times becomes the truth."
Fact is if Anet said 2 + 2 = 5, there would be ignorant people that would by that. If you said "No, 2 +2 = 4," you would be calling Anets infallibility into question. They deam themselves gods on their game, and any opposition is heresy. It seams much easier to continue a lie by calling it a hack. When in reality the mechanics are no different then a simple ferry. Whatever Anet says becomes fact, whether it is logical or not.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /agree and amen man.. thats the point and lol gaile gray said u are hackers! see who is saying that rofl.. now if was GM Elena or Ambar thats different

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Yichi

Then allow me to give you the correct information as you apparently have faulty information.

Duncan the Black run:

This run allowed you to bypass the first 4 parts of the quest to have access to duncan's chamber. You still did not automatically appear at Duncan the Black whenever you walked through the door. You had to finish the area, the same as if you had completed the other 4 parts to the quest. All it did was open the locked door for you to travel through to finish the end of the quest line. It DID NOT however, take you directly to him to be able to farm him over and over again every 10 minutes.

actually i think your a lil misinformed also my friend. this took you to fight his hoard first wich took aroud 30?40? mins with usren then you have to deal with the big guy and his cronies. im still not tootally up on duncan lol but it still sounds pretty familiar.

lyra_song · Jan 11, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Not really

Once you got to Urgoz/Deep you could park your character there and repeatedly enter even though your alliance no longer owned the town.

Even though you can not run the mission, you can then enter Consulate docks again and again with the map - as well as get the ferries to other games.

And, even though you can beat Mallyx without doing the prerequisite quests - you do still have to beat him to get the reward.

Unless you are pretty familiar with the whole game - including the dynamics of DoA - it would not seem that different than the others. Obviously some of the banned were familiar enough with DoA to know that. But many certainly were not.

Mechanically the exploits all are map exploits.

But like i said, how many people did it and how extensive was the effect? This is what would measure wether a ban is truly justified.

Wether or not you knew it wasnt supposed to be like that (naive or stupid) only comes into question when you try to justify it as "oh i didnt know".

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Anet is under no obligation to give you anything back.

I am not obligated to buy their next expansion or GW2. People vote with their dollars. People also have a tendency to tell others why or why not to buy a product. Its called Viral Marketing. This kind of situation is just bad publicity for Anet.

chaoticimajar · Jan 11, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Or maybe you could get some common sense and think - Hold on! Secret outpost no-one's ever seen before?! Wow this can't be right *map out* If you thought it was some new update (as someone tried to say), well - read update notes on wiki kthx.

even so i bet you would have loved 88k an hour an armbrace in 3 hours you wouldn't have passed this up you say you would now but you wouldn't have don't lie don't comment back and i know so many more people would of if they had the chance you'll deny it but you would have

SirJackassIII · Jan 11, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Like I said in my post on 43 .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. Those acting like the 117 were horrible people that knew they would get in trouble are laying on the edrama. NOBODY was banned for getting a ferry to Duncan .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. There was NO reason for any of us to think we would be banned for doing it given NOBODY was banned or even warned for using it on Duncan.

The Duncan ferry was in it from the start of the game (technically, this too, but..you know), was pretty obvious and well known and most importantly, DID NOT require you to jump through hoops to get to an outpost that was never mentioned nor shows up on any map.

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

even so i bet you would have loved 88k an hour an armbrace in 3 hours you wouldn't have passed this up you say you would now but you wouldn't have don't lie don't comment back and i know so many more people would of if they had the chance you'll deny it but you would have

88k per hour vs losing all that money AND my account.
Though choice...I think I'll keep my account and make money in a way that doesn't exploit the game.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Mechanically the exploits all are map exploits.

But like i said, how many people did it and how extensive was the effect? This is what would measure wether a ban is truly justified.

Wether or not you knew it wasnt supposed to be like that (naive or stupid) only comes into question when you try to justify it as "oh i didnt know".

i hope everyone past the id dint know myself. the first run or two i was lost as hell. but common sense does kick in lol.

lyra_song · Jan 11, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Clait

I am not obligated to buy their next expansion or GW2. People vote with their dollars. People also have a tendency to tell others why or why not to buy a product. Its called Viral Marketing. This kind of situation is just bad publicity for Anet.

Anet banning game exploiters seems like good marketing to me.

Protecting the game seems an admirable trait.

Venus Anu · Jan 11, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

okay, this a full mini guide how the mallyx/hidden town WAS done. this post is purly for educational purposes only and to clear up some FACT's and myth's

After knowing the truth about the town you will realise that it was a accident that could have been found by anyone who ever uses DoA and fught mallyx.

First of all. you need to have completed the first 4 areas and have the mallyx quest open in your log.

now, you then went in to kill mallyx as you would have done normaly to complete the quest. While in with mallyx (or the bit just before or mallyx himself it doesnt matter) your party then wipes (doesnt matter if your alone or in a team)

once your a squishy mess on the floor and the quest failed you press G and map to your guild hall (which you could have done anyways because you were miffed that you just failed)

you then can (from your guild hall) press the G and map back from your guild (yeh i know ill map back to DoA and get another team to try again) but NO !! you accidently get to the "hidden citadel of mallyx" secret town. so providing you dont leave your guild, you can hit G and map there as much as you like.

the only REQ to take other people there are: They also must have faced mallyx at some point it doesnt matter when it also doesnt matter if the other people have the mallyx quest or not. but they must be able to get to your guild hall (guild member or guest invite)

so you can map people there, once the people are there you change char and get a guild member (who you just maped to the town) to map you there.

Also in the town there is a "Enter Misson" button on the party info at the side

so now you all go in, kill mallyx or fail as normal.

when done, you all map out to DoA to get the quest again. and with your other char that still holds the town you map everyone there again and repeat.

Error in the programing.... should not be a permanent ban.
Punishment Yes, people knew what they were doing. Permanent Ban NO.

Just like the mapping to unopened areas on the map, /resign didn't type itself. No one was punished for that.

~ Dan ~ · Jan 11, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

even so i bet you would have loved 88k an hour an armbrace in 3 hours you wouldn't have passed this up you say you would now but you wouldn't have don't lie don't comment back and i know so many more people would of if they had the chance you'll deny it but you would have

Don't try to ask a question then answer it (5132409832 times) yourself. No i wouldn't have. Know why? Because exploiting is against the EULA and would warrant a ban. Sure i'd love 88k. I earn it.